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		<title>By: Unknown</title>
		<link>http://mormonconversations.com/what-religion-can-learn-from-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1061</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 05:43:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty, thanks for this post.  It has instilled an even deeper desire for me to &quot;grow in knowledge and understanding&quot;  I firmly believe that all truth IS ETERNAL AND COMES FROM GOD.   I especially appreciated the scripture you quoted in D&amp;C 88:67.  Which also adds to my conviction that it is through the Spirit that we are able to comprehend all things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty, thanks for this post.  It has instilled an even deeper desire for me to &#8220;grow in knowledge and understanding&#8221;  I firmly believe that all truth IS ETERNAL AND COMES FROM GOD.   I especially appreciated the scripture you quoted in D&amp;C 88:67.  Which also adds to my conviction that it is through the Spirit that we are able to comprehend all things.</p>
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		<title>By: htwilson</title>
		<link>http://mormonconversations.com/what-religion-can-learn-from-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1060</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan, you also say, &quot;I learned then and there the simple fact that my belief in God and what I learn scientifically can co-exist quite nicely.&quot; Two things about that ... you didn&#039;t learn anything, you convinced yourself of something without evidence. Secondly, there is no &quot;simple fact&quot; when it comes to reconciling God and science ... I&#039;ve been trying for thirty years with no success. It&#039;s only simple if you ignore the TRUTH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan, you also say, &#8220;I learned then and there the simple fact that my belief in God and what I learn scientifically can co-exist quite nicely.&#8221; Two things about that &#8230; you didn&#8217;t learn anything, you convinced yourself of something without evidence. Secondly, there is no &#8220;simple fact&#8221; when it comes to reconciling God and science &#8230; I&#8217;ve been trying for thirty years with no success. It&#8217;s only simple if you ignore the TRUTH.</p>
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		<title>By: htwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>htwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ryan, it sounds like you had a really deep and euphoric experience ... I&#039;ve been there, so I empathize ... My problem with attributing it to GOD is that it makes no sense ... &quot;I am behind all this&quot;, says a voice and you assume it was GOD ... how do you know it wasn&#039;t telepathic finches? Maybe, just maybe, it was you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ryan, it sounds like you had a really deep and euphoric experience &#8230; I&#8217;ve been there, so I empathize &#8230; My problem with attributing it to GOD is that it makes no sense &#8230; &#8220;I am behind all this&#8221;, says a voice and you assume it was GOD &#8230; how do you know it wasn&#8217;t telepathic finches? Maybe, just maybe, it was you.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Lindquist</title>
		<link>http://mormonconversations.com/what-religion-can-learn-from-science/comment-page-1/#comment-1058</link>
		<dc:creator>Rusty Lindquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely.  In my estimation, science is nothing more than the eventual discovey by man of the eternal workings of God.  The works of God are not conducted through any ammount of hocus-pocus, but rather by excercising principles and laws that have existed thoughout all eternity.  As man struggles to understand the universe and the principles and laws that govern it, they, in their own right, are drawing close unto God, but are focusing more on the how, rather than the why.

As such, religion has much to learn from science.  The Doctrine and Covenants, a canonized compilation of latter-day revelation discusses how in all physical laws there are spiritual shadows.  I&#039;ve posted before about the spiritual implications of the laws of Gravity, inertia, thermodynamics, and entropy, and I have many other physical laws that I&#039;m anxious to expound upon in discussing their spiritual shadows.

But by the same token, science can also learn from religion.  Take for instance the Pearl of Great Price, or even as mentioned earlier, the Book of Mormon.  An archeologist with the spiritual flexibility to allow himself to study, pray, and gain a testimony of it&#039;s truthfulness on a spiritual level, would quickly find himself equipped with leads and clues that his peers are starved for.

The universal, sweeping nature of principles transcends all the various and specific fields of study, and all truth can be merged into one all-encompassing whole that describes the nature, existance, and laws of all things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely.  In my estimation, science is nothing more than the eventual discovey by man of the eternal workings of God.  The works of God are not conducted through any ammount of hocus-pocus, but rather by excercising principles and laws that have existed thoughout all eternity.  As man struggles to understand the universe and the principles and laws that govern it, they, in their own right, are drawing close unto God, but are focusing more on the how, rather than the why.</p>
<p>As such, religion has much to learn from science.  The Doctrine and Covenants, a canonized compilation of latter-day revelation discusses how in all physical laws there are spiritual shadows.  I&#8217;ve posted before about the spiritual implications of the laws of Gravity, inertia, thermodynamics, and entropy, and I have many other physical laws that I&#8217;m anxious to expound upon in discussing their spiritual shadows.</p>
<p>But by the same token, science can also learn from religion.  Take for instance the Pearl of Great Price, or even as mentioned earlier, the Book of Mormon.  An archeologist with the spiritual flexibility to allow himself to study, pray, and gain a testimony of it&#8217;s truthfulness on a spiritual level, would quickly find himself equipped with leads and clues that his peers are starved for.</p>
<p>The universal, sweeping nature of principles transcends all the various and specific fields of study, and all truth can be merged into one all-encompassing whole that describes the nature, existance, and laws of all things.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please allow me to share a personal experience that shares light on the subject.

A couple years ago I got to tour the Galapagos Islands.  I saw first hand the Darwinian Institute and the conclusions Darwin made.  I saw amazing things there, like birds (the blue-footed booby, for instance) whose ancestors never had any large mammalian predators.  They&#039;re instincts taught them to build nests on the ground.  They allowed humans to get within feet of them without getting frightened.  I saw first-hand the difference in finches&#039; beaks and read the conclusions Darwin made.  Very scientifically sound conclusions that ring true to any reasoning human.

My brother was with me on the trip.  With this experience he supported his belief that religion is hogwash and science has disproved the existence of  a divine being.

The evening of our discussion I had time to ponder and think about the things I learned.  I was in solitude on the top deck of the cruise ship and watched the sun set.  Brilliant colors filled the sky as the sun kissed the horizon.  In response to my prayer, I heard the words, &quot;I am behind all this.&quot;  I learned then and there the simple fact that my belief in God and what I learn scientifically can co-exist quite nicely.

Ryan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please allow me to share a personal experience that shares light on the subject.</p>
<p>A couple years ago I got to tour the Galapagos Islands.  I saw first hand the Darwinian Institute and the conclusions Darwin made.  I saw amazing things there, like birds (the blue-footed booby, for instance) whose ancestors never had any large mammalian predators.  They&#8217;re instincts taught them to build nests on the ground.  They allowed humans to get within feet of them without getting frightened.  I saw first-hand the difference in finches&#8217; beaks and read the conclusions Darwin made.  Very scientifically sound conclusions that ring true to any reasoning human.</p>
<p>My brother was with me on the trip.  With this experience he supported his belief that religion is hogwash and science has disproved the existence of  a divine being.</p>
<p>The evening of our discussion I had time to ponder and think about the things I learned.  I was in solitude on the top deck of the cruise ship and watched the sun set.  Brilliant colors filled the sky as the sun kissed the horizon.  In response to my prayer, I heard the words, &#8220;I am behind all this.&#8221;  I learned then and there the simple fact that my belief in God and what I learn scientifically can co-exist quite nicely.</p>
<p>Ryan</p>
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		<title>By: archie</title>
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		<dc:creator>archie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not hell no.  Just hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not hell no.  Just hell.</p>
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		<title>By: Rusty Lindquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rusty Lindquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually that&#039;s not true.  There is abundant evidence (and growing), of the factuality of the Book of Mormon.  I invite you to research it afresh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually that&#8217;s not true.  There is abundant evidence (and growing), of the factuality of the Book of Mormon.  I invite you to research it afresh.</p>
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		<title>By: htwilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>htwilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I didn&#039;t mean to imply that the BoM contains passages against science --- what I meant was that science has debunked everything in the BoM. The supposed history of a Jewish tribe arriving around 650 BC, claims of wars between peoples who had metallurgy, the claims of grand (western) civilizations existing in the America, the idea of &quot;reformed&quot; hieroglyphs, and so on, and so on ... the BoM says one thing, and science, says, &quot;Uh, no.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I didn&#8217;t mean to imply that the BoM contains passages against science &#8212; what I meant was that science has debunked everything in the BoM. The supposed history of a Jewish tribe arriving around 650 BC, claims of wars between peoples who had metallurgy, the claims of grand (western) civilizations existing in the America, the idea of &#8220;reformed&#8221; hieroglyphs, and so on, and so on &#8230; the BoM says one thing, and science, says, &#8220;Uh, no.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mayra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mayra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rusty, I partly agree with what you&#039;re saying, however, religion as it stands and what most people know is not a science. And as someone mentioned you are never going to convince people to believe there is a God. That is a personal experience that one must want to pursue and prove to the self. In the absence of any proof, there is no doubt in my mind that there is a God not because anyone told me about but because I proved it in my own life. However, I am ok with allowing others to believe as they wish. They have a right to that as their belief is irrelevant to whether God exists or not and by no means a requirement for their existence and wellbeing on the planet. I think that once we all learn to believe and let believe people will be more apt to trust their own answers. The convincing, the coercing, the judging and the pushing takes all credibility religion could have once had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rusty, I partly agree with what you&#8217;re saying, however, religion as it stands and what most people know is not a science. And as someone mentioned you are never going to convince people to believe there is a God. That is a personal experience that one must want to pursue and prove to the self. In the absence of any proof, there is no doubt in my mind that there is a God not because anyone told me about but because I proved it in my own life. However, I am ok with allowing others to believe as they wish. They have a right to that as their belief is irrelevant to whether God exists or not and by no means a requirement for their existence and wellbeing on the planet. I think that once we all learn to believe and let believe people will be more apt to trust their own answers. The convincing, the coercing, the judging and the pushing takes all credibility religion could have once had.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Darrell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed Darrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t understand why this is posted under science? Not to be rude, but science stands in direct opposition to everything that the book of Mormon says, no?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not in my experience, no.  There have been some inroads into Mormonism by nonscience types in recent years, but Mormonism has a long tradition of support for science, and benefit from it.  Think of the great chemist Henry Eyring.  Think of the physicist Harvey Fletcher, and his son James Fletcher, who headed NASA.  Think of Terrel Bell and his support for education of all things, especially science.

What do you find in the BoM that opposes science?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t understand why this is posted under science? Not to be rude, but science stands in direct opposition to everything that the book of Mormon says, no?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not in my experience, no.  There have been some inroads into Mormonism by nonscience types in recent years, but Mormonism has a long tradition of support for science, and benefit from it.  Think of the great chemist Henry Eyring.  Think of the physicist Harvey Fletcher, and his son James Fletcher, who headed NASA.  Think of Terrel Bell and his support for education of all things, especially science.</p>
<p>What do you find in the BoM that opposes science?</p>
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