Comments on: The clensing gift of repentance (ctrl-z, UNDO!) http://mormonconversations.com/the-clensing-gift-of-repentance-ctrl-z-undo/ Discussions on faith, religion, Mormonism, and other important topics Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:18:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 By: Rex Shannon http://mormonconversations.com/the-clensing-gift-of-repentance-ctrl-z-undo/#comment-452 Rex Shannon Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:53:18 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-452 My sincere sympahty and condolences to each member of Martha's family, expecially my friend and brother in Christ, John Haywood--since I have not had the privilege of even meeting other family members. May our God of Love, Mercy and Comfort manifest His Presence and Strength in each of your lives as you deal with this time of adjustment in the loss you are experiencing. In Christian Love, Rex Shannon My sincere sympahty and condolences to each member of Martha’s family, expecially my friend and
brother in Christ, John Haywood–since I have not had the privilege of even meeting other family members. May our God of Love, Mercy and Comfort manifest His
Presence and Strength in each of your lives as you deal with this time of adjustment in the loss you are
experiencing. In Christian Love, Rex Shannon

]]> By: ponderingpastor http://mormonconversations.com/the-clensing-gift-of-repentance-ctrl-z-undo/#comment-451 ponderingpastor Thu, 15 May 2008 20:27:29 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-451 Every exchange of posts reminds me how each of us wear lenses through which we read scripture. Everyone believes they have the "plain meaning". Only when we are willing to entertain that another's lens is acceptable can we begin to see the richness of scripture. Pondering Pastor Every exchange of posts reminds me how each of us wear lenses through which we read scripture. Everyone believes they have the “plain meaning”. Only when we are willing to entertain that another’s lens is acceptable can we begin to see the richness of scripture.

Pondering Pastor

]]> By: ponderingpastor http://mormonconversations.com/the-clensing-gift-of-repentance-ctrl-z-undo/#comment-450 ponderingpastor Thu, 15 May 2008 14:35:36 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-450 "For why would God require man to repent, if he were already saved in spite of his actions? Repentence (sic) would therefore be fruitless, and brought to naught." Ever consider that it is not God who needs us to repent, but rather we need the repentance/forgiveness and what it brings? Maybe repentance/forgiveness is a reminder of what Christ has already done. Maybe repentance/forgiveness leads us to that same action for others when they have harmed us. Pondering Pastor <blockquote>From Rusty... A very good point, and one that I glossed over too lightly in my post - the personal blessings of repentance and forgiveness are deep and rich. Indeed, there is much personal benefit. And Luke 7:41-48 makes the beautiful point that he who will love Jesus the most, is he who has been forgiven the most, so indeed the value of repentance/forgiveness extends to creating stronger, more compelling, and more personal relationships with our Savior. These scriptures, taken of themselves may lead me to believe that could be the extent of the purpose of repentance, but taking the word of God in whole expands my understanding beyond that, to the appreciation that repentance is a saving principle. Luke 13:1-5 "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Matthew 4:17 "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" 2 Corinthians 7:10 "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation" These references and others help me understan that repentence is more than a convenient process for our own emotional benefit, but rather a necessary step for salvation. Thus reinforcing the notion that if our actions have no affect on our salvation, why then the doctrine of repentance for salvation? If my actions can't keep me from heaven, why am I told to "work repentance to salvation"?</blockquote> “For why would God require man to repent, if he were already saved in spite of his actions? Repentence (sic) would therefore be fruitless, and brought to naught.”

Ever consider that it is not God who needs us to repent, but rather we need the repentance/forgiveness and what it brings? Maybe repentance/forgiveness is a reminder of what Christ has already done. Maybe repentance/forgiveness leads us to that same action for others when they have harmed us.

Pondering Pastor

From Rusty… A very good point, and one that I glossed over too lightly in my post – the personal blessings of repentance and forgiveness are deep and rich. Indeed, there is much personal benefit. And Luke 7:41-48 makes the beautiful point that he who will love Jesus the most, is he who has been forgiven the most, so indeed the value of repentance/forgiveness extends to creating stronger, more compelling, and more personal relationships with our Savior.

These scriptures, taken of themselves may lead me to believe that could be the extent of the purpose of repentance, but taking the word of God in whole expands my understanding beyond that, to the appreciation that repentance is a saving principle.

Luke 13:1-5 “Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.”
Matthew 4:17 “Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand”
2 Corinthians 7:10 “For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation”

These references and others help me understan that repentence is more than a convenient process for our own emotional benefit, but rather a necessary step for salvation. Thus reinforcing the notion that if our actions have no affect on our salvation, why then the doctrine of repentance for salvation? If my actions can’t keep me from heaven, why am I told to “work repentance to salvation”?

]]> By: Rusty Lindquist http://mormonconversations.com/the-clensing-gift-of-repentance-ctrl-z-undo/#comment-449 Rusty Lindquist Thu, 15 May 2008 07:44:13 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=198#comment-449 I might add that the doctrine of repentance (confessing and forsaking our sins), is another illustration of why Mormons believe that we are not saved by faith alone, and that we are judged also according to our works. Something we discuss so much in the comments in part <a href="”" rel="nofollow">3</a> and <a href="”" rel="nofollow">4</a> of this series. For why would God require man to repent, if he were already saved in spite of his actions? Repentence would therefore be fruitless, and brought to naught. I might add that the doctrine of repentance (confessing and forsaking our sins), is another illustration of why Mormons believe that we are not saved by faith alone, and that we are judged also according to our works. Something we discuss so much in the comments in part 3 and 4 of this series. For why would God require man to repent, if he were already saved in spite of his actions? Repentence would therefore be fruitless, and brought to naught.

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