http://mormonconversations.com/team-hoyt-real-heroes/ Discussions on faith, religion, Mormonism, and other important topics Tue, 22 May 2012 07:14:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1 http://mormonconversations.com/team-hoyt-real-heroes/#comment-31397 Pasha Tue, 22 May 2012 07:14:55 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-31397 Regarding salvation by faith alone: apcceting Jesus in your heart is also a work. That is, having faith in the first place work. Saying in your heart that you accept Jesus as your Savior is a work. Therefore, every creedal Christian believes the exact same formula of grace works that they decry as heresy when it surfaces in the LDS notion that baptism is necessary. By insisting on baptism, however, Latter-day Saints reveal themselves to be more closely in agreement with the New Testament than creedal Christians.Even after apcceting Christ and having faith in him, following Christ's command to be baptized, and receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost, Latter-day Saints believe that it is still only the Atonement of Jesus Christ that cleanses them from their sins. Through baptism Latter-day Saints are cleansed by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, i.e. by grace. That creedal Christians accuse Latter-day Saints of believing that they must somehow save themselves reveals disingenuous argumentation. The source of this disingenuous approach is really Latter-day Saints' rejection of the Nicene Creed and its progeny of creeds. Thus, although Geoff is correct in his assessment of the two main sticking points of theology between creedal Christians and Latter-day Saints, the real impetus is LDS refusal to accept the creedal notion of the Trinity, even if Latter-day Saints do believe in the Trinity defined slightly differently. Departing from the decisions about the nature of God of the fourth-century council a council that would very likely also reject all sorts of Protestant sects as heretical is the absolutely unpardonable act of Latter-day Saints for creedal Christians. Regarding salvation by faith alone: apcceting Jesus in your heart is also a work. That is, having faith in the first place work. Saying in your heart that you accept Jesus as your Savior is a work. Therefore, every creedal Christian believes the exact same formula of grace works that they decry as heresy when it surfaces in the LDS notion that baptism is necessary. By insisting on baptism, however, Latter-day Saints reveal themselves to be more closely in agreement with the New Testament than creedal Christians.Even after apcceting Christ and having faith in him, following Christ’s command to be baptized, and receiving the Gift of the Holy Ghost, Latter-day Saints believe that it is still only the Atonement of Jesus Christ that cleanses them from their sins. Through baptism Latter-day Saints are cleansed by the atoning blood of Jesus Christ, i.e. by grace. That creedal Christians accuse Latter-day Saints of believing that they must somehow save themselves reveals disingenuous argumentation. The source of this disingenuous approach is really Latter-day Saints’ rejection of the Nicene Creed and its progeny of creeds. Thus, although Geoff is correct in his assessment of the two main sticking points of theology between creedal Christians and Latter-day Saints, the real impetus is LDS refusal to accept the creedal notion of the Trinity, even if Latter-day Saints do believe in the Trinity defined slightly differently. Departing from the decisions about the nature of God of the fourth-century council a council that would very likely also reject all sorts of Protestant sects as heretical is the absolutely unpardonable act of Latter-day Saints for creedal Christians.

]]> http://mormonconversations.com/team-hoyt-real-heroes/#comment-784 Mormon Soprano Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:22:14 +0000 http://ongofu.wordpress.com/?p=319#comment-784 I have such a love for the Hoyt's. Their devotion, endurance, charity and courage inspires all of us. Their lives testify of the great and divine power of the human spirit. The body is a temporary tabernacle. The spirit lives forever. I have such a love for the Hoyt’s. Their devotion, endurance, charity and courage inspires all of us. Their lives testify of the great and divine power of the human spirit. The body is a temporary tabernacle. The spirit lives forever.

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