(update: I answer this question and address this here: New archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon)

Please give me the name of one renouned historian who takes the Book of Mormon serious.

Thank you,
Tina

I’m sorry if you’ve not done enough research yourself to know of the evidences of the Book of Mormon, for indeed, not only is there a “shred” of evidence, there is much more than that. I’ll dedicate a post to it when I get to my series on the Book of Mormon. But the point of this post is just that, while I may list all the evidences already discovered, you would not be convinced? Why? Because evidence is insufficient, you must receive a witness from the Holy Ghost, if you have the courage and dedication to truly seek an answer.

I would submitt that we rely on our personal experience to justify any clue or evidence we deem vindicated.Thus all evidance is still subjective to our paradigms.

God bless,
-D

It is remarkable how you devalue the historical evidences for the Bible in an apparent hustle to justify and elevate the Book of Mormon. The truth remains that there is not a shred of real evidence that validates the peoples in your book.

I have as much evidence that the moon is made of cheese than you do for the Book of Mormon. Of course this statement is silly, but used only as a comparative for the value of evidences for the Book of Mormon. Examples:

The seismic velocity of moon “rock” is much closer to cheese than any rock found on earth.
The moon looks like green cheese.
For over 500 years, others have thought the same.
NASA has a picture of the surface with a stamped expiration date for the cheese. They say it’s not authentic, but how do we know for sure?
The 1st man on the moon Neil Armstrong famously said ” I love moon-cheese” and then took the 1st man made bite out of the moon.
Cheese is made up with the help of a cow… As we learned from our forefathers through traditions, the cow did jump over the moon.

In 1958, Doctor Ivan Sleazy Cheesy of the Cheesology Institute of the University of Cambridge embarked on an eye-opening investigation to find out if the moon was indeed made of cheese. His reports were so startling that there was a government conspiracy which had them used for toilet paper, so his findings were never published, until recently. Read On!

Doctor Ivan began his investigation by visiting the township of Arkansaw, Arkansas where eyewitnesses had claimed to have found cheese that fell out of the moon.

Bob the Plumber, a well-respected man in the community, recounted his version of events to Doctor Ivan who then recorded the recount in his logbook. Sadly his log book was used as toilet paper by some government officials. But an inside source – who wishes to remain unnamed- has been able to supply us with a fragmented version of the logbook. The pieces we do not have we have replaced with the word MONKEYPUFFLE.

* 7:00pm Sat down on MONKEYPUFFLE.
* 7:10pm Put the MONKEYPUFFLE on and had MONKEYPUFFLE.
* 7:20pm Watched Roseanne. – “That’s my favorite show” says Bob.
* 7:30pm Halfway through Roseanne the TV reception cuts out. Bob goes outside to investigate.
* 7:40pm (It takes Bob along time to go outside. He has a bad MONKEYPUFFLE.) It is a clear MONKEYPUFFLE and Bob can easily see the MONKEYPUFFLE. A piece of MONKEYPUFFLE falls off the roof and hits MONKEYPUFFLE. Bob discovers that it is a piece of cheese.

We can deduce that Bob the Plumber claimed that he was hit by a piece of Swiss cheese, not your average cheddar cheese or like those fancy French or Swiss cheeses.

Ok Thats Enough!!!

The historical evidence of the Israelite’s carrying forth God’s word is the wrapper that makes His word real and tangible for the reader. Otherwise all we would have are fables.

I give next to zero credence to personal experience in the sense you refer to. You and I could find Christians, Catholics, Mormons, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Wiccans, etc. who would claim to have had fantastic spiritual experiences. Do these experiences prove the truthfulness of these various religious traditions? They cannot, because these traditions are at various points mutually exclusive. God cannot be a Trinity and also be a Hindu polytheism.

And I would very much like to see some of these supposed correlations between Native American traditions and the BoM.

God Bless

Will God sometimes offer evidence? Yes. When he does, will more people believe? Yes. Does that mean he will always offer evidence? No (as I’ve illustrated above).

There are aspects of the bible that are historically proven, and as such, those historically confirmed people, events, places are evidence that the bible is a historical record. But is the Bible in and of itself evidence that Christ is the son of God? No. Apparently not. If that were the case, that the bible was irrefutable evidence of Christ’s divinity, then there would be no questioning from non-Christians. If the Bible offered such solid evidence, then why are there so many denominations? Because the fact of the matter is, that the bible is only seen as evidence to those who already believe it.

In order to believe bible is the word of God, and that Christ is the Son of God, and that he atoned for our sins, and that through him we can be saved, you have to use faith, for there is no incontrovertible evidence that such is the case. All we have is a record that we believe in, but that is not evidence. The evidence you receive by believing in Christ comes because of a confirmation of the spirit. It’s not tangible, there’s nothing visible. It’s a feeling, and while we should invest the whole of our minds to learning (as I suggest on other posts on my blog), the wisdom of the wise is nothing to God. It’s folly to suggest that Mormons are blind to believe what they do without evidence, when all other Christians are in the same boat.

As for the evidences of the Book of Mormon, if I said yes, then you have placed yourself in a position where you would have to believe in it. And the answer is, indeed, yes. I’ll post some of them.

But will you believe based on that evidence? It’s doubtful. Why? Because all those evidences show are the accuracy of the book as a historical record, not that it’s the word of God it purports to be. The same thing as the bible. Hence, evidence should not be the foundation of our faith. Rather, it’s the fruit thereof.

As for a reference point some beleive the ancient city under Mexico city is one such city mentioned in the Book of Mormon, and some of these archologist would not consider themselves “Mormon.” But as far as that goes from me it is just hearsay at this point.

Good luck in finding your Evidance.
-D

By the way, I am not being confrountational here I really want to know what you consider these experiences. I do appreciate everyone’s colabration to boil these things down so we all can understand where others are comming from.

God bless,
-D