I thought you suppose to be the “True Church” and “A Beacon of Light” and holder of the “Restored Gospel” and all that. Suppose to be a cut above all the others. I don’t know why you even want to say you were just like all the other folks at that time. He!!, the other folks ain’t claiming no such “we the chosen church” things.

You right, you will never know all what my kind has hadden to forgive. And I don’t really think I need forgiveness schooling from either one of youes. I know what it does to one heart when he don’t forgive. So you think that Smith dude was a martyr huh? Well, I’d like to dig up some of my granddaddies relatives and show you the missing fingers and toes from when their masters punished them or the and fractures left in their bones from their masters whippings. So quit trying to be my Shepard. Heck, I’m the one trying to hold out the olive branch to you people so you can see the truth.

One thing I know for sure, If the King of Kings comes a knocking on your door, you better naught be out dining and dancing with those lying thieves. Who’s ever you think they are!

That’s my final warning to you.

What I do know are two things. The first of which is what has been covered extensively already… that it is naive to summarily dismiss Mormonism because of this instance. Not only was this a situation unspecific to Mormonism, but if you subscribe to that logic you’d likewise be required to summarily dismiss the whole of the bible, even the whole of Christendom. I’m sure the children of Israel were full of rigteous indignation against Moses, for whose transgression they’d all have to perish in the wilderness. But, it didn’t make Moses a false prophet, and it doesn’t make the bible less true. Justified indignation, yes. But it would be a slippery slope to derive such a conclusion. The Bible is the word of God, this much I know. With the same surety that I know the Book of Mormon is the Word of God, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints is the Lord’s true church. And the the prophets and apostles who lead us, mortal as they are, and as were those of old, are men of God and have led the church to the best of their abilities, as did Moses.

The other thing I know is that this thread, as it is now, has reached a point of diminishing returns. I can’t possibly conceive of any more that we can say to you on this topic. You are upset about it, to depths which I’m incapable of understanding. I can’t blame you for that. I do think it’s unhealthy to let the injustices of the past so strongly control the attitudes of the present. But as you said, who am I?

So from now on comments on this thread will be moderated. If they are constructive and add to the general benefit of the discussion, they shall be allowed for the discussion of the principle. But if they are simply attacks, they shall not be allowed.

Gratefully, those attitudes have changed in most of us. Some do hang on to the attitudes and injustices of the past. We are handing you an olive branch here. We regret the past and are in no way trying to say it didn’t happen. We want you to understand that we are sorry, and hope you will forgive all those injustices to your race and other races, too, and start to build a friendship. I know from experience, that if you can’t forgive, it will eat you up inside. You will never find peace.

God Bless You!

http://www.mormonismi.net/mep1954/

“He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.”

The keyword your man used was “But” he didn’t use the word “and”. And when your man, Mark Peterson, said all of it in 1954, he said it a whole speech that didn’t speak well of the black man. Read this what he also said.

“The discussion on civil rights, especially over the last 20 years, has drawn some very sharp lines. It has blinded the thinking of some of our own people, I believe. They have allowed their political ffiliations to color their thinking to some extent, and then, of course, they have been persuaded by some of the arguments that have been put forth…. We who teach in the Church certainly must have our feet on the ground and not be led astray by the philosophies of men on this subject… “I think I have read enough to give you an idea of what the negro is after. He is not just seeking the opportunity of sitting down in a cafe where white people eat. He isn’t just trying to
ride on the same streetcar or the same Pullman car with white people. It isn’t that he just desires to go to the same theater as the white people. From this, and other interviews I have read, it appears that the negro seeks absorbtion with the white race. He will not be satisfied until he achieves it by intermarriage. That is his objective and we must face it. We must not allow our feeling to carry us away, nor must we feel so sorry for negroes that we will open our arms and embrace them with everything we have. Remember the little statement that we used to say about sin, ‘First we pity, then endure, then embrace.’…

So I really don’t give him the any credence to believe he was saying something nice about us with regarding serventhood in the celestial kingdom. There’s no doubt he was talking about bondage.

Secondly, please quit trying to belittle me like I’m wildly coming up with this information. Maybe you should do some study woman!

Lastly, quit turning my anger into saying that may hate you. That’s word play and your trying to make me look like some ugly hearted freak. Why don’t you focus on your own peoples hatred and the stuff they said and did to my race in their religious doctrine. Your still holding hands with these folks and then you have the nerve to call me a hateful black man. How are you any different than your fathers?

God Bless you. May you find peace and joy.

I can’t make you accept me, or even tolerate me. If you hate me, so be it, but if you ever decide you want to open up, just come back here and let us know. You will be welcome! And you won’t be a slave, but I hope you would want to serve others.

“You see some classes of the human family that are black, uncouth, uncomely, disagreeable and low in their habits, wild, and seemingly deprived of nearly all the blessings of the intelligence that is generally bestowed upon mankind.”

Yes, I’m angry but mine is a righteous anger, not hatred. I’m angry at all your leaders and all of you church people that still stand behind these teachers of hate. And Rusty, it’s belittling to see how you try to twist my anger into meaning that I am hateful by the things I written. I’ve never called anyone of you like the things I been called by your prophets.

Margeret woman, I do trust people. Just not maybe your kind. If you been telling that same angry story to your son in law, about how he needs to let it all go and stuff, I’m telling you that he can see right through you. I’ve also had bad experiences, some of them I can adjust to, like the police taking out their hatred on my brothers. But yours is even worse cause you all proclaim it was done in the name of God. Like the religious arm of the KKK. Where they were only burning my kind on the stake to rid us from this physical world, you were denying the riches of God’s kingdom to us in both this physical world and the spiritual ones – sealings and endowments – as well. Double the killing!!!!

What the crap does these two things mean? First one below church said they never been racist. Second one church got us going into the kingdom but still as a servant!

From an Ensign article of September 2000 by GA Alexander Morrison

“How grateful I am that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has from its beginnings stood strongly against racism in any of its malignant manifestations.”

“If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the Celestial Kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.”

Never been racist..Crap! And who we going to serve? No doubt it is you Mormon’s that are up there high in the kingdom. Man, what comfort, I’m going to go to heaven but still going to be a slave to the white man!

Get away from me all you false people and hand shakers of the men who hated the black man for the color if his skin!

Particularly the perspective that if we are to weigh men at all, which we must beware of, we must weigh men by the balance of their lives, not by selected deeds. Such a measurement is not only grotesquely inadequate, but lines us up for similar judgement from our Father: “For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again” (Matthew 7:2).

Terrance, it strikes me that you might want to take note of this, for the hatred which you accuse others of, is strikingly evident in your own words.

Marvin, it’s an honor to have you visit, and participate with such timliness. Your insights are profound, and your offer to send Terrance a free series of “Blacks in the scriptures” evidence of your empathy and sincerity. I’ve appreciated both your testimony and your insight.

Ryan, wow, what great perspective. That what really matters is that all have access to the blessings of the priesthood. The reminder that for a time int he bible only the Levite tribes could hold the priesthood is important. Saying the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints must be false because at one time it withheld priesthood from the blacks, would be akin to saying the bible is wrong because for a time it withheld the priesthood from others as well.

As you said, the priesthood is not about power, control and authority, but access to the blessings of God which can only be obtained by proper authority.

Terrance, I’m sorry that you feel so hurt. I understand why you do. Still, I’d encourage you to speak with the same love and respect with which those here are speaking to you. Currently, it stands in stark contrast, which usually hurts more than helps.

I have met Marvin. He loves all people and loves our Savior. He has overcome the anger and hatred with truth, light and love. You would do well to put anger aside and open your heart to at least try to understand what he is trying to explain to you.